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		<title>By: Moose</title>
		<link>http://www.themusicsnob.com/2009/05/06/make-music-not-t-shirts/comment-page-1/#comment-5076</link>
		<dc:creator>Moose</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 26 May 2009 20:38:26 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Very powerful statements made here. Right down the pipe, no shinola. I admire that. As an artist trying to promote an underground genre, which I am still excited about, many desperate ideas come to mind, as far as grabbing monetary attention for financing. Yet I am more inclined to simply focus on the music and let the business people work it out. Without a good product, there seems to be no value attached for selling purposes. And that value lies heavy on the opinions of music fans, right? Fast selling ideas put cash in the pocket, but eventually folks will start to feel like they are getting stiffed on quality music. Which, unfortunately, we are. The good news is that it begins to highlight the obvious talent around us, who have been relentlessly practicing and honing skills, while the debauchery of certain industry people has been going on. These are the artists who are slowly coming out of the &#039;briar patch&#039; and into the world again. The compromise to me is HOW MUCH do quality artists feel they need? And what percentage of THAT do business partners want? As a songwriter, it&#039;s not that difficult to write songs, really. It seems more difficult to do business. I&#039;d be happy being a thousandair, honestly. And am willing to share that with any deserving partner.

Moose</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Very powerful statements made here. Right down the pipe, no shinola. I admire that. As an artist trying to promote an underground genre, which I am still excited about, many desperate ideas come to mind, as far as grabbing monetary attention for financing. Yet I am more inclined to simply focus on the music and let the business people work it out. Without a good product, there seems to be no value attached for selling purposes. And that value lies heavy on the opinions of music fans, right? Fast selling ideas put cash in the pocket, but eventually folks will start to feel like they are getting stiffed on quality music. Which, unfortunately, we are. The good news is that it begins to highlight the obvious talent around us, who have been relentlessly practicing and honing skills, while the debauchery of certain industry people has been going on. These are the artists who are slowly coming out of the &#8216;briar patch&#8217; and into the world again. The compromise to me is HOW MUCH do quality artists feel they need? And what percentage of THAT do business partners want? As a songwriter, it&#8217;s not that difficult to write songs, really. It seems more difficult to do business. I&#8217;d be happy being a thousandair, honestly. And am willing to share that with any deserving partner.</p>
<p>Moose</p>
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		<title>By: &#187; Microfinancing Music Amazing Wow: A Modern Music Label</title>
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		<dc:creator>&#187; Microfinancing Music Amazing Wow: A Modern Music Label</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 26 May 2009 15:13:23 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] folks over at the music snob brought this topic up a few weeks ago, and seem to really covet is as a truly new model for the [...]</description>
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		<title>By: Ben</title>
		<link>http://www.themusicsnob.com/2009/05/06/make-music-not-t-shirts/comment-page-1/#comment-5061</link>
		<dc:creator>Ben</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 26 May 2009 15:13:15 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Hey guys, just responded to this on my blog, but having worked for The Hector Fund and been consulting for a while, I have to say that I think micro financing music really does not fix the problem. Coffee fair trade is different because you can&#039;t share coffee. My point is, as long is music is shareable, even just by burning a CD, buying it is charity. People willing to play for music are willing to give money when they don&#039;t need to, which is of course great, but in my opinion, this is just not a monetizing model.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hey guys, just responded to this on my blog, but having worked for The Hector Fund and been consulting for a while, I have to say that I think micro financing music really does not fix the problem. Coffee fair trade is different because you can&#8217;t share coffee. My point is, as long is music is shareable, even just by burning a CD, buying it is charity. People willing to play for music are willing to give money when they don&#8217;t need to, which is of course great, but in my opinion, this is just not a monetizing model.</p>
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		<title>By: Gabriel</title>
		<link>http://www.themusicsnob.com/2009/05/06/make-music-not-t-shirts/comment-page-1/#comment-4083</link>
		<dc:creator>Gabriel</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 07 May 2009 01:05:42 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>@Brian: Ask me to part more money to a corporate welfare bum and I would have already said screw off. But, let me interact and connect with a musician, and there is way less hesitant on my part to purchase music from them. 

Bottom line is that we do business with people/companies we like.  Companies across all sectors, especially some in the music industry seems to have forgotten that economic activity is relationship driven. 

I say let&#039;s keep empowering artists with new tools, resources and technology. Let the real producers and builders of this world take back control.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>@Brian: Ask me to part more money to a corporate welfare bum and I would have already said screw off. But, let me interact and connect with a musician, and there is way less hesitant on my part to purchase music from them. </p>
<p>Bottom line is that we do business with people/companies we like.  Companies across all sectors, especially some in the music industry seems to have forgotten that economic activity is relationship driven. </p>
<p>I say let&#8217;s keep empowering artists with new tools, resources and technology. Let the real producers and builders of this world take back control.</p>
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		<title>By: Jami Jackson</title>
		<link>http://www.themusicsnob.com/2009/05/06/make-music-not-t-shirts/comment-page-1/#comment-4076</link>
		<dc:creator>Jami Jackson</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 07 May 2009 00:01:08 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I think it is important to provide more information to buyers.  Music is a product of the business and just with any other product we buy, we are given details about what we are getting.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I think it is important to provide more information to buyers.  Music is a product of the business and just with any other product we buy, we are given details about what we are getting.</p>
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		<title>By: brian</title>
		<link>http://www.themusicsnob.com/2009/05/06/make-music-not-t-shirts/comment-page-1/#comment-4073</link>
		<dc:creator>brian</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 06 May 2009 23:18:05 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I agree that the relationship between fans and artists is getter stronger. The distance is being reduced by necessity and/or technology. Cynics might say that artists need to do more to get people to part with their money. But I think musicians tend to be decent, interesting and fun people that enjoy the interaction with others that shared musical interests provides. The internet has made it so much easier to establish more channels of dialog, even if they can&#039;t be as direct as a one-to-one conversation. This internet thang is good, despite corrupting the flow of money to our well-endowed keepers...Fuck yeah.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I agree that the relationship between fans and artists is getter stronger. The distance is being reduced by necessity and/or technology. Cynics might say that artists need to do more to get people to part with their money. But I think musicians tend to be decent, interesting and fun people that enjoy the interaction with others that shared musical interests provides. The internet has made it so much easier to establish more channels of dialog, even if they can&#8217;t be as direct as a one-to-one conversation. This internet thang is good, despite corrupting the flow of money to our well-endowed keepers&#8230;Fuck yeah.</p>
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		<title>By: Gabriel</title>
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		<dc:creator>Gabriel</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 06 May 2009 18:50:59 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Very good points... and your idea of a Music Fair Trade program is one I never thought of. 

The more I read and the more I think about the music industry, the more I realize there will never be any one solution to satisfy so many different interests, goals, ideals and ambitions. 

That said... we are very lucky to have so many talented people crafting and recording songs for our enjoyment. The unfortunate thing is that most people don&#039;t have the time to wade through all the new music and just as importantly, only have limited dollars to spend on music. 

One idea I&#039;ve add kicking around in my head is that instead of purchasing music or individual tracks, why not sponsor or become patron to the artist (you would obviously be able to buy/download their music). This might help minimize the passing/throwaway nature of music which only serves to devalue the artist.  

So, let&#039;s say instead of paying $15 for a CD, I sponsor an artist to the tune of $50/year or even $100/year if I&#039;m a huge fan.    They have provided more joy and entertainment in my life than that &quot;one-time&quot; dollar amount.  Maybe this will help stop  thinking of music as just economic units.

I would argue that the relationship between fans and artists is getting stronger because the middle (we add no value) layer is being sidelined.  The unfortunate part is the lingering bitterness, resentment and animosity that exists thanks to the music industry&#039;s approach to protecting their profits at the expense of both artists and fans.  

I have thought on numerous occasions, what if the music industry approached the Napster affair with positive vision and foresight? Would things be better today? I guess it&#039;s hard to look forward when your goal is to protect the past. 

I think a music fair trade program would work if it&#039;s voluntary, has simple rules/guidelines and is focused on building relationships between artists and  between fans.  Essentially, creators and consumers come together as a network where we can respect each other and work together to celebrate music that is so ingrained in everyday life. 

Great thinking and conversation... we need more of this to come up with different workable ideas and solutions.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Very good points&#8230; and your idea of a Music Fair Trade program is one I never thought of. </p>
<p>The more I read and the more I think about the music industry, the more I realize there will never be any one solution to satisfy so many different interests, goals, ideals and ambitions. </p>
<p>That said&#8230; we are very lucky to have so many talented people crafting and recording songs for our enjoyment. The unfortunate thing is that most people don&#8217;t have the time to wade through all the new music and just as importantly, only have limited dollars to spend on music. </p>
<p>One idea I&#8217;ve add kicking around in my head is that instead of purchasing music or individual tracks, why not sponsor or become patron to the artist (you would obviously be able to buy/download their music). This might help minimize the passing/throwaway nature of music which only serves to devalue the artist.  </p>
<p>So, let&#8217;s say instead of paying $15 for a CD, I sponsor an artist to the tune of $50/year or even $100/year if I&#8217;m a huge fan.    They have provided more joy and entertainment in my life than that &#8220;one-time&#8221; dollar amount.  Maybe this will help stop  thinking of music as just economic units.</p>
<p>I would argue that the relationship between fans and artists is getting stronger because the middle (we add no value) layer is being sidelined.  The unfortunate part is the lingering bitterness, resentment and animosity that exists thanks to the music industry&#8217;s approach to protecting their profits at the expense of both artists and fans.  </p>
<p>I have thought on numerous occasions, what if the music industry approached the Napster affair with positive vision and foresight? Would things be better today? I guess it&#8217;s hard to look forward when your goal is to protect the past. </p>
<p>I think a music fair trade program would work if it&#8217;s voluntary, has simple rules/guidelines and is focused on building relationships between artists and  between fans.  Essentially, creators and consumers come together as a network where we can respect each other and work together to celebrate music that is so ingrained in everyday life. </p>
<p>Great thinking and conversation&#8230; we need more of this to come up with different workable ideas and solutions.</p>
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		<title>By: brian</title>
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		<dc:creator>brian</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 06 May 2009 15:10:13 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>That&#039;s the one. Does that model strike you as a better one?</description>
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		<title>By: Chris Wochagg</title>
		<link>http://www.themusicsnob.com/2009/05/06/make-music-not-t-shirts/comment-page-1/#comment-4037</link>
		<dc:creator>Chris Wochagg</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 06 May 2009 15:07:57 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I think the service you meant was http://www.sellaband.com/</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I think the service you meant was <a href="http://www.sellaband.com/" rel="nofollow">http://www.sellaband.com/</a></p>
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		<title>By: brian</title>
		<link>http://www.themusicsnob.com/2009/05/06/make-music-not-t-shirts/comment-page-1/#comment-4033</link>
		<dc:creator>brian</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 06 May 2009 14:44:12 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Chris, thanks for your optimistic defense of non-performing musicians. I too believe that there should be viable ways for non-rock stars to get paid for their music. Having put much time and money into my own projects, I&#039;ve been disappointed at my inability to recoup any of the recording costs, and finally relented to just giving my music away for free, on this blog for example. 

There are some online services where fans become directly involved in supporting this project by becoming &quot;investors&quot;, essentially buying shares of a recording, and once enough fans have chipped in, then the artist goes and records something, and there is an open line of communication between the artist and fans. I haven&#039;t participated in these communities myself, but the last I looked into them they were gaining some traction. If anyone can remember the name of one, please share...They were, of course, aligned towards the young singer-songwriters and pop musicians. 

Sometimes I wonder: with so many people making music, and so much of the music being of a high quality, does it have any monetary value anymore? A flood of supply, you know? All I know is that the only remuneration I can reasonably expect for my artistic endeavors in this lifetime is the satisfaction that I saw my vision through and captured it as best I could according to my standards and inspiration. 

Then again, there is a huge supply of cheap decent coffee, but people willingly pay more for fair trade coffee. 

Interesting point about the eco-friendly music medium. Is there such a thing currently as environmentally friendly electronics?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Chris, thanks for your optimistic defense of non-performing musicians. I too believe that there should be viable ways for non-rock stars to get paid for their music. Having put much time and money into my own projects, I&#8217;ve been disappointed at my inability to recoup any of the recording costs, and finally relented to just giving my music away for free, on this blog for example. </p>
<p>There are some online services where fans become directly involved in supporting this project by becoming &#8220;investors&#8221;, essentially buying shares of a recording, and once enough fans have chipped in, then the artist goes and records something, and there is an open line of communication between the artist and fans. I haven&#8217;t participated in these communities myself, but the last I looked into them they were gaining some traction. If anyone can remember the name of one, please share&#8230;They were, of course, aligned towards the young singer-songwriters and pop musicians. </p>
<p>Sometimes I wonder: with so many people making music, and so much of the music being of a high quality, does it have any monetary value anymore? A flood of supply, you know? All I know is that the only remuneration I can reasonably expect for my artistic endeavors in this lifetime is the satisfaction that I saw my vision through and captured it as best I could according to my standards and inspiration. </p>
<p>Then again, there is a huge supply of cheap decent coffee, but people willingly pay more for fair trade coffee. </p>
<p>Interesting point about the eco-friendly music medium. Is there such a thing currently as environmentally friendly electronics?</p>
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