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		<title>By: CHRIS WINHAM</title>
		<link>http://www.themusicsnob.com/2008/07/22/re-title-publishing/comment-page-1/#comment-7267</link>
		<dc:creator>CHRIS WINHAM</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 20 Jul 2009 04:43:58 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>YES IF YOU CAN TELL ME HOW A MUSIC LICENSING OUTFIT CAN OFFER A NON EXCLUSIVE DEAL TO ARTISTS AND COLLECT BACKEND ROYALTIES ON THEIR BEHALF WITHOUT RETITLING THE MUSIC I SURE WOULD LIKE TO KNOW IT. ALSO WHAT POSSIBLE REASON WOULD A LICENSING COMPANY TRY AND COLLECT BACKEND ROYALTIES FOR AN ARTIST UNLESS IT WAS TO COLLECT A PART FOR ITSELF. WAKE UP JACKASS</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>YES IF YOU CAN TELL ME HOW A MUSIC LICENSING OUTFIT CAN OFFER A NON EXCLUSIVE DEAL TO ARTISTS AND COLLECT BACKEND ROYALTIES ON THEIR BEHALF WITHOUT RETITLING THE MUSIC I SURE WOULD LIKE TO KNOW IT. ALSO WHAT POSSIBLE REASON WOULD A LICENSING COMPANY TRY AND COLLECT BACKEND ROYALTIES FOR AN ARTIST UNLESS IT WAS TO COLLECT A PART FOR ITSELF. WAKE UP JACKASS</p>
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		<title>By: strudel</title>
		<link>http://www.themusicsnob.com/2008/07/22/re-title-publishing/comment-page-1/#comment-6046</link>
		<dc:creator>strudel</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 22 Jun 2009 21:06:55 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Just a note about the re-titling thing. I&#039;ve been with Pump for years and my earnings have consistently gone up, little by little. Originally, they didn&#039;t do the retitling thing, and when they switched to that, I was a little skeptical. But the good thing about the retitling (and the problem I see with the other companies that *don&#039;t* take a share of the publishing) is that if the licensing company has a stake in the publishing royalties, they are going to work to make sure that all the cue sheets for a song that they have licensed are submitted to the PRO. Very important, I think! That is some of the important work a publisher does. And since I&#039;m my own publishing company and have no interest in trying to follow up on cue sheets myself, I think this is actually a good thing. And as I say, over the years my income from Pump and BMI has had steady trend up.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Just a note about the re-titling thing. I&#8217;ve been with Pump for years and my earnings have consistently gone up, little by little. Originally, they didn&#8217;t do the retitling thing, and when they switched to that, I was a little skeptical. But the good thing about the retitling (and the problem I see with the other companies that *don&#8217;t* take a share of the publishing) is that if the licensing company has a stake in the publishing royalties, they are going to work to make sure that all the cue sheets for a song that they have licensed are submitted to the PRO. Very important, I think! That is some of the important work a publisher does. And since I&#8217;m my own publishing company and have no interest in trying to follow up on cue sheets myself, I think this is actually a good thing. And as I say, over the years my income from Pump and BMI has had steady trend up.</p>
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		<title>By: Ambient Guy</title>
		<link>http://www.themusicsnob.com/2008/07/22/re-title-publishing/comment-page-1/#comment-4618</link>
		<dc:creator>Ambient Guy</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 14 May 2009 07:42:03 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Nice site by the way, just registered for the feed.

Thank you</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Nice site by the way, just registered for the feed.</p>
<p>Thank you</p>
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		<title>By: Ambient Guy</title>
		<link>http://www.themusicsnob.com/2008/07/22/re-title-publishing/comment-page-1/#comment-4617</link>
		<dc:creator>Ambient Guy</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 14 May 2009 07:41:18 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The way I see it is that if a music licensor licenses music that is registered with performing rights societies clearly a performing royalty is generated from that sale in addition to the sync rights that were earned up front. Therefore, the music licensor would feel its in their moral right to present a non-exclusive offer to a musician whereby they take a share of that earning too.

The way they make this work with the performing rights societies is to re-name the track so that they can identify specific uses of the music to them and therefore get their share of the use of that music from the performing rights society.

So, this happens (re naming) as a way to work the system laid out by the performing rights societies. If there are issues around this for the artists then perhaps the performing rights societies need to stand up to their claim to look after artists interests by designing a system that works for the music licensing business today rather than lag behind.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The way I see it is that if a music licensor licenses music that is registered with performing rights societies clearly a performing royalty is generated from that sale in addition to the sync rights that were earned up front. Therefore, the music licensor would feel its in their moral right to present a non-exclusive offer to a musician whereby they take a share of that earning too.</p>
<p>The way they make this work with the performing rights societies is to re-name the track so that they can identify specific uses of the music to them and therefore get their share of the use of that music from the performing rights society.</p>
<p>So, this happens (re naming) as a way to work the system laid out by the performing rights societies. If there are issues around this for the artists then perhaps the performing rights societies need to stand up to their claim to look after artists interests by designing a system that works for the music licensing business today rather than lag behind.</p>
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		<title>By: Sam</title>
		<link>http://www.themusicsnob.com/2008/07/22/re-title-publishing/comment-page-1/#comment-4552</link>
		<dc:creator>Sam</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 13 May 2009 01:15:16 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Thanks Brian,

I just want to continue a little further with some information that might help any producers contemplating the Getty amendment with 35% to the artist or possibly other similar situations some of you may be facing...I came across some legal information that may be a clue as to why Getty needs us to sign and approve the contract proposals..I pulled this from a textbook &quot;Business Law and the Legal Environment&quot; edition 5, concerning the Uniform Commercial Code: 

Parties make a contract attempting to control their futures. But one party’s certainty can be undercut by the ease with which the other party may obtain a modification. Section 2-209 of the Uniform Commercial Code (UCC) acknowledges this tension by enabling the parties to limit changes. The parties may agree to …and insist that all modifications be in writing and signed. Between merchants, such a clause is valid. But if either party is not a merchant, such a clause is valid only if the non-merchant separately signs it. I am guessing that musicians would not be classified as merchants since in the case of Pump, we are providing music to a publisher- (merchant) without compensation in order for them to sell these intangible goods on our behalf. Even if our contracts were reviewed under the common law, the amendment would be invalid and probably unenforceable. The law in regards to music is tricky to say the least but I hope this info may give some sense of optimism and allow more artists to stand up to companies like Getty and not jump to sign anything just because they say you need to.

Best-</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Thanks Brian,</p>
<p>I just want to continue a little further with some information that might help any producers contemplating the Getty amendment with 35% to the artist or possibly other similar situations some of you may be facing&#8230;I came across some legal information that may be a clue as to why Getty needs us to sign and approve the contract proposals..I pulled this from a textbook &#8220;Business Law and the Legal Environment&#8221; edition 5, concerning the Uniform Commercial Code: </p>
<p>Parties make a contract attempting to control their futures. But one party’s certainty can be undercut by the ease with which the other party may obtain a modification. Section 2-209 of the Uniform Commercial Code (UCC) acknowledges this tension by enabling the parties to limit changes. The parties may agree to …and insist that all modifications be in writing and signed. Between merchants, such a clause is valid. But if either party is not a merchant, such a clause is valid only if the non-merchant separately signs it. I am guessing that musicians would not be classified as merchants since in the case of Pump, we are providing music to a publisher- (merchant) without compensation in order for them to sell these intangible goods on our behalf. Even if our contracts were reviewed under the common law, the amendment would be invalid and probably unenforceable. The law in regards to music is tricky to say the least but I hope this info may give some sense of optimism and allow more artists to stand up to companies like Getty and not jump to sign anything just because they say you need to.</p>
<p>Best-</p>
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		<title>By: brian</title>
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		<dc:creator>brian</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 12 May 2009 13:20:52 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Re: Hugh - I like your comparison to the banking crisis. Burden is the taxpayers, profits are the bankers...

I&#039;m happy to see that so many people are pissed off about this and are participating in the debate. There are a lot of other options for artists looking to license their music, that aren&#039;t trying to screw over artists like this. 

Sam, your phrase &quot;race to the bottom&quot; sums up what I was trying to say about the diminishing &quot;value&quot; of music these days...Well said.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Re: Hugh &#8211; I like your comparison to the banking crisis. Burden is the taxpayers, profits are the bankers&#8230;</p>
<p>I&#8217;m happy to see that so many people are pissed off about this and are participating in the debate. There are a lot of other options for artists looking to license their music, that aren&#8217;t trying to screw over artists like this. </p>
<p>Sam, your phrase &#8220;race to the bottom&#8221; sums up what I was trying to say about the diminishing &#8220;value&#8221; of music these days&#8230;Well said.</p>
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		<title>By: Sam</title>
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		<dc:creator>Sam</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 12 May 2009 07:15:45 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I just wanted to give my two cents about Pump Audio (Getty Images) sending out their B.S. amendment to our previous 50/50 contracts...They say they need to keep their business successful with their 400+ employees to take care of..excuse me! Should we feel sympathetic with such a lame excuse to just screw the artist once again..I rejected their agreement..They said they need a statement in writing to have my music removed..Our contracts were with Pump and were bought as assets by Getty, I am thinking they really can&#039;t legally change the terms of our contracts without our consent otherwise they probably would just do it..other music production websites have already started this trend for the race to the bottom lowering rates and licensing terms. It&#039;s all very depressing to see how music seems so undervalued these days..I would hope that many of my fellow (former Pump) artists will stand up to Getty and refuse their contract amendment in principle.
Best-</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I just wanted to give my two cents about Pump Audio (Getty Images) sending out their B.S. amendment to our previous 50/50 contracts&#8230;They say they need to keep their business successful with their 400+ employees to take care of..excuse me! Should we feel sympathetic with such a lame excuse to just screw the artist once again..I rejected their agreement..They said they need a statement in writing to have my music removed..Our contracts were with Pump and were bought as assets by Getty, I am thinking they really can&#8217;t legally change the terms of our contracts without our consent otherwise they probably would just do it..other music production websites have already started this trend for the race to the bottom lowering rates and licensing terms. It&#8217;s all very depressing to see how music seems so undervalued these days..I would hope that many of my fellow (former Pump) artists will stand up to Getty and refuse their contract amendment in principle.<br />
Best-</p>
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		<title>By: Davide d</title>
		<link>http://www.themusicsnob.com/2008/07/22/re-title-publishing/comment-page-1/#comment-4484</link>
		<dc:creator>Davide d</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 11 May 2009 16:53:21 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>BeatPick.com split 50/50 upfront fee. that&#039;s it. back end royalties belong to the artists. Unless the artist decides he wants the company helping with back end admin. We still put a lot of effort in promoting artists, tagging music, sending cds to supervisors and so on... 
cheers,
Davide</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>BeatPick.com split 50/50 upfront fee. that&#8217;s it. back end royalties belong to the artists. Unless the artist decides he wants the company helping with back end admin. We still put a lot of effort in promoting artists, tagging music, sending cds to supervisors and so on&#8230;<br />
cheers,<br />
Davide</p>
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		<title>By: Hugh Person</title>
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		<dc:creator>Hugh Person</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 03 Apr 2009 23:55:21 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Very interesting site.

1. Can we take up the issue of Pump announcing:

-Licensing fees will now be 35% to the artist, 65% to Pump Audio/Getty Images
-This model will take place as of 7/1/09

2.Before doing that, let me suggest to Paul that he is reading the wrong part of the Pump contract in order to see the royalty split. Read section 10 &quot;Allocation of Publishing Recipts&quot;. The split is 50-50 in my contracts with Pump.

Returning to the new split:

1. Pump explains the cost of going international, which should benefit Getty (Pump is now wholly owned by Getty) and its Artists, requires the new split.
- My response is: if the Artists are going to invest in Getty&#039;s expansion, will the Talent reap the reward if the venture succceeds? The Artists should expect a return to 50-50 split, with a return of their 15% investment, plus whatever it earned - like any investing.

2. Since when does Getty need capital from Artists!!!

3. Pump has explained that the Artists pay nothing out of pocket for Getty&#039;s huge infrastructure.
- I explained that Getty pays nothing out of pocket to the Artist to produce the Artist&#039;s work. THAT&#039;S WHY 50-50 is a fair split. Neither Artist nor Getty would make money if the other&#039;s services were lacking.

4. I LOVE the reference to __________&#039;s Dillemma. (Forgive me, I am still learning its name!)
To give a name to the choice between love and revenge is a helpful way to organize one&#039;s experience when in the flux of mind-dimming emotion.

IF composers had a union, and I was its leader, I would say - Let&#039;s negotiate. We&#039;ll give up our fair share of royalties for this new venture. If it fails, we walk away. If it suceeds, we want our investment back! And then a bit more!

But the organized party is Getty. Of course, in the Darwinian ecology of business, Getty becoming less fair allows a niche for a new &quot;Pump&quot; to develop, and claim the mantle of fairness with a 50-50 deal.

Forgive me, but isn&#039;t this situation similar to the bank bailout: the debt and risk is Socialized. The profit, if it occurs, if Capitalism. That is, the taxpayer is disproportionately on the hook if the toxic assets prove worthless, and the private investors (hedge funds, et al) disproportionately shielded from risk.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Very interesting site.</p>
<p>1. Can we take up the issue of Pump announcing:</p>
<p>-Licensing fees will now be 35% to the artist, 65% to Pump Audio/Getty Images<br />
-This model will take place as of 7/1/09</p>
<p>2.Before doing that, let me suggest to Paul that he is reading the wrong part of the Pump contract in order to see the royalty split. Read section 10 &#8220;Allocation of Publishing Recipts&#8221;. The split is 50-50 in my contracts with Pump.</p>
<p>Returning to the new split:</p>
<p>1. Pump explains the cost of going international, which should benefit Getty (Pump is now wholly owned by Getty) and its Artists, requires the new split.<br />
- My response is: if the Artists are going to invest in Getty&#8217;s expansion, will the Talent reap the reward if the venture succceeds? The Artists should expect a return to 50-50 split, with a return of their 15% investment, plus whatever it earned &#8211; like any investing.</p>
<p>2. Since when does Getty need capital from Artists!!!</p>
<p>3. Pump has explained that the Artists pay nothing out of pocket for Getty&#8217;s huge infrastructure.<br />
- I explained that Getty pays nothing out of pocket to the Artist to produce the Artist&#8217;s work. THAT&#8217;S WHY 50-50 is a fair split. Neither Artist nor Getty would make money if the other&#8217;s services were lacking.</p>
<p>4. I LOVE the reference to __________&#8217;s Dillemma. (Forgive me, I am still learning its name!)<br />
To give a name to the choice between love and revenge is a helpful way to organize one&#8217;s experience when in the flux of mind-dimming emotion.</p>
<p>IF composers had a union, and I was its leader, I would say &#8211; Let&#8217;s negotiate. We&#8217;ll give up our fair share of royalties for this new venture. If it fails, we walk away. If it suceeds, we want our investment back! And then a bit more!</p>
<p>But the organized party is Getty. Of course, in the Darwinian ecology of business, Getty becoming less fair allows a niche for a new &#8220;Pump&#8221; to develop, and claim the mantle of fairness with a 50-50 deal.</p>
<p>Forgive me, but isn&#8217;t this situation similar to the bank bailout: the debt and risk is Socialized. The profit, if it occurs, if Capitalism. That is, the taxpayer is disproportionately on the hook if the toxic assets prove worthless, and the private investors (hedge funds, et al) disproportionately shielded from risk.</p>
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		<title>By: Jim in Indy</title>
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		<dc:creator>Jim in Indy</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 02 Apr 2009 01:06:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I stumbled onto this site during my Google search for advice on a couple problems similar to those mentioned in an earlier post here by Bill C. on Oct 11, 2008. He just touched on the subject and I&#039;m hoping to find a &quot;definitive&quot; answer. That may not be the word I&#039;m looking for but, it will have to suffice.

Situation #1 is: Back in the 70s and 80s, when I was cranking out several songs a week from my little bedroom studio, like Bill C, I knew very little about publishing agreements and was sure I was on my way to fame and fortune when I signed my first publishing contract with no reversion clause. I thought, worst case, after the passing of a reasonable number of years with no cuts, I would simply contact them, ask for my songs back, rework them and move on.

I should explain that due to family responsibilities and my &quot;day job&quot; I wound up getting away from the creative part of the business for some twenty years. Now, I&#039;m getting back into it.

Though the paper boy can still cash my royalty checks, some of the aforementioned contracts were fruitful - actual commercial cuts with real BMI payments, however small.

The problem now lies in those that were not.   Of the half dozen companies I&#039;ve been searching  for over the last few weeks, I have managed to contact the owners or former owners of two. They both were more than happy to provide written statements returning those songs back to me. There are probably a dozen or so that I have had no luck in contacting. Is this material just dead? Could I assume that after twenty five or thirty years that no one would remember it, anyway?

Situation #2 is - A few of the songs that are contracted to these defunct companies are listed with BMI on spec that they would be cut, I suppose, which didn&#039;t happen. I&#039;ve tried contacting BMI via their email for advice on this, but thus far they are confusing copyright returns with simply crossing these publishers off the &quot;royalty share&quot; list. I tried to no avail to explain that these companies no longer exist and therefore will not be getting a piece of the pie. Is this something I really should pursue further or is it worked out between new publisher and BMI? What if I sign one of these songs to another publisher and they try to register it?

Thanks very much for your time and for the opportunity to ask my questions.

Jim</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I stumbled onto this site during my Google search for advice on a couple problems similar to those mentioned in an earlier post here by Bill C. on Oct 11, 2008. He just touched on the subject and I&#8217;m hoping to find a &#8220;definitive&#8221; answer. That may not be the word I&#8217;m looking for but, it will have to suffice.</p>
<p>Situation #1 is: Back in the 70s and 80s, when I was cranking out several songs a week from my little bedroom studio, like Bill C, I knew very little about publishing agreements and was sure I was on my way to fame and fortune when I signed my first publishing contract with no reversion clause. I thought, worst case, after the passing of a reasonable number of years with no cuts, I would simply contact them, ask for my songs back, rework them and move on.</p>
<p>I should explain that due to family responsibilities and my &#8220;day job&#8221; I wound up getting away from the creative part of the business for some twenty years. Now, I&#8217;m getting back into it.</p>
<p>Though the paper boy can still cash my royalty checks, some of the aforementioned contracts were fruitful &#8211; actual commercial cuts with real BMI payments, however small.</p>
<p>The problem now lies in those that were not.   Of the half dozen companies I&#8217;ve been searching  for over the last few weeks, I have managed to contact the owners or former owners of two. They both were more than happy to provide written statements returning those songs back to me. There are probably a dozen or so that I have had no luck in contacting. Is this material just dead? Could I assume that after twenty five or thirty years that no one would remember it, anyway?</p>
<p>Situation #2 is &#8211; A few of the songs that are contracted to these defunct companies are listed with BMI on spec that they would be cut, I suppose, which didn&#8217;t happen. I&#8217;ve tried contacting BMI via their email for advice on this, but thus far they are confusing copyright returns with simply crossing these publishers off the &#8220;royalty share&#8221; list. I tried to no avail to explain that these companies no longer exist and therefore will not be getting a piece of the pie. Is this something I really should pursue further or is it worked out between new publisher and BMI? What if I sign one of these songs to another publisher and they try to register it?</p>
<p>Thanks very much for your time and for the opportunity to ask my questions.</p>
<p>Jim</p>
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